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Understanding Jesus Through Biblical Context and The Chosen Series
Brandon Robbins joins us to explore how understanding the historical context of Jesus' world transforms our reading of the Bible and enhances our experience of "The Chosen" series. As a pastor and YouTube creator with over 30 million views, Brandon brings fresh insights that make Scripture come alive in new ways.
• Biblical context changes everything—words like "hate" and "believe" meant something different in Jesus' time
• Understanding the difference between merely believing in Jesus versus following Him as a disciple
• The calling of Matthew in its historical context reveals the extraordinary sacrifice of discipleship
• Brandon's journey from making videos with 100 views to reaching millions happened after he nearly quit
• The disciples' willingness to be martyred provides compelling evidence for the resurrection
• Words like "pisteuo" (believe) meant complete life commitment, not just mental agreement
• Jesus consistently asked people to follow Him, requiring total surrender, not just acknowledging facts
• Discipleship means becoming the "reflection" of your rabbi by adopting his ways
Visit brandonrobbinsministry.com to download "10 Words That Will Change the Way You Read the Bible" and subscribe to Brandon's YouTube channel for weekly insights. His book "The Forgotten Teachings of Jesus" is available anywhere books are sold.
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I would like to welcome Brandon Robbins to the Pivotal People podcast. You're going to love this episode. You're going to learn so much. I have learned so much just reading his book. Let me tell you a little bit about him.
Speaker 1:Brandon is a pastor and a YouTube content creator. He makes great videos helping the Bible be more understandable for the rest of us. His YouTube channel has more than 300,000 subscribers and over 30 million views. He has two beautiful daughters, an amazing wife, leanne, and when he isn't leading his church or making videos I like this he loves to read, travel and search for the world's best hot sauce. So does my son.
Speaker 1:I don't understand it, but I'm glad that is part of your character and that you let all of us know that little personal piece about you. Let me tell you a little bit about his book. His book is called the Forgotten Teachings of Jesus, and what he did in his book and on his YouTube channel is he takes content from the series the Chosen and helps us understand the aspects of the Chosen that are biblical and accurate, and aspects that are perhaps more fictional, but they still teach the same valuable lessons. He kind of deciphers it for all of us and because so many people have watched the Chosen. I think that's really helpful, and I'll be real specific.
Speaker 1:Brandon said in a quote the Chosen is an amazing series, but it's not scripture. But one of its greatest strengths is its ability to draw its audience into the biblical story. We feel as if we're there, walking with Jesus, one among his disciples. But sometimes we can mistake the events of the show for the events of scripture, and so this book really helps unblur those lines. It helps dive deep into the events of the first season of the show, and I'm sure there will be another book. So, brandon, what I would appreciate is, today in our conversation, if perhaps you can give us insight as to why you decided to tackle this topic and why you decided to write this book with, you know, 30 million views, did I say? I mean, obviously, people are interested in this. Tell us more.
Speaker 2:So thank you first just for having me on. It's such a pleasure to be able to be here and talk with you and be able to talk about the book. You know, I think the answer to that question of why is really I love being able to share with people the things that have had such a huge impact in my life, and I remember the first time I sat down and read a book called Sitting at the Feet of Rabbi Jesus. It was this book that opened my eyes to really the context of the world of Jesus, like seeing Jesus as a first century rabbi living in a first century Jewish world, and how all of that changed the way I read the Bible. And so for me it's just this joy to be able to share that with others and watch people have these light bulb moments where you have this scripture that maybe you never understood before or you had read a hundred times and all of a sudden you saw it in an entirely new light, because you knew a little bit more about what it was like to live at that time and how those details are just infused and integrated into scripture. Just infused and integrated into scripture, and so that's really kind of the idea behind the book too, where there's this show that has taken the world by storm.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's one of the most, you know, influential Christian shows that has ever really been out there at least in my lifetime and people are watching this, but there's also so many moments where they watch it and they think that's the Bible. And the Chosen is very, very clear it's not the Bible, it's a television show. But I think sometimes it can be confusing. So I love the opportunity to be able to come into that conversation and say, well, let's look at the Bible and let's look at what it really says, but also let's look at where the show depicted some of these things that are incredibly accurate, like these little details about what it was like to live at the time of Jesus that most people won't even notice. But if you do notice them and you know a little bit more about them now, not only do you see the show differently, but you start to read the Bible differently as well.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking as you're saying this. I had an aunt. She watched every episode and you know she didn't read the Bible but she read devotionals, you know, and she had faith. But the Chosen helped her understand what perhaps you've understood for many, many years as a pastor the personal relationship to Jesus. You know he was a person. So if we could back up a little bit, how did your experience as a pastor shape the approach you took to writing this book?
Speaker 2:Well, I want to be careful to never create a book that's just filled with facts. I mean, I think that's interesting and facts can be helpful, but I think, as a pastor, one of the things you ask yourself every time you get up to preach is not just what scripture do I need to preach and what do I need to tell people, what do I want them to know? But you also are always asking these questions like what do I want them to feel? What do I want them to do? Where is the good news present in this message? Because of what you know now, how does that help you to experience the good news and to be able to share that good news with others? And so it was the same question in writing the book.
Speaker 2:This is a series that's all about Jesus's disciples and it's viewing their relationship with Jesus from their perspective. And I think that's why it connects so well with people, because people begin to see themselves in those disciples. They see their flaws in the disciples' flaws. They see their insecurities in the disciples' insecurities. They see their you know unique things that they love about Jesus in the ways that the disciples experience that. And so with the book, I wanted it to be more than just a. Here's a whole lot of really interesting facts that will change the way you see things. But also let's figure out a way to put yourself in the mindset of a disciple, of what it was actually like to walk beside Jesus at that time and really ask yourself the questions.
Speaker 2:What would you have been thinking, what questions would you have had about Jesus, what would your doubts have been, what would be the things that would have amazed you? And you know what would have been that moment that you would have said I'm willing to give up everything my family, my job, all these other things to be able to go and to follow him and to walk alongside him and be his disciple. I these other things to be able to go and to follow him and to walk alongside him and be his disciple. I mean, I know for myself those are questions I never asked, like I don't even know that I really understood what a disciple was until maybe the past 15, 20 years of my life of really diving into that and exploring what it meant and what it took to actually follow Jesus. And so I think this is an opportunity for us, once we know that, to say, okay, if I had lived back then, what would I have done? And knowing that, how does that change how I follow Jesus now in?
Speaker 1:him. He asked us to follow him. Now he did tell us to believe in him, but he said follow me, follow me, follow me, and that is appealing for me. Reading the Bible and reading these personal experiences with Jesus are what makes it real. It's not a checklist of regulations, it's who is this guy? What do the red letters say? What did he say? What he said was so different than so many times. We all know this. What the world says. He says so you're the pastor. We're going to let you talk about that, but I did think it was interesting.
Speaker 1:It's easy when people hear this here's a guy who's a pastor. He has an unbelievably successful ministry, not only in person, but on YouTube. I mean, you're getting 30 million views. How many pastors in their churches are getting 30 million views? But I always like to hear the backstory, the challenges, the possible failures, so that people will know you can be a disciple too. Don't let speed bumps get in the way. So after you published your very first chosen video on YouTube, you said you came close to giving up on creating YouTube content altogether. Can you share more about that and why?
Speaker 2:Sure, yeah, I mean, I think this whole journey for me continues to be this humbling, wild experience that I, in many ways, don't even feel worthy of what God is doing and just this journey that I get to be on. So I started making YouTube videos back in 2019. And originally, what they were were videos for my church, where I was, instead of writing a newsletter, I thought I'll make a video and do it a little bit differently. Eventually, that evolved into trying to teach pastors out there things that I was learning. I had just this really, really big passion for helping churches to grow and passing on the things that I was learning. But over time I mean really for the next two years just nothing happened. And I think this was a pretty common YouTube experience where you just put out video after video after video and nobody watches it. And you know if I got 100 views, I thought it was the greatest thing in the world, you know, 99 of which were probably my mom just hitting repeat, just trying to get the view count up.
Speaker 2:But then in 2001, I did a video on season one, episode one of the Chosen, and it was something that a youth director had been encouraging me to watch for a while, the youth director at our church and I finally kind of gave in and watched it because I had seen so many bad Christian productions over time. I was skeptical, which I think a lot of people even still are, and so I watched it and I was just blown away specifically by the context of how they took all of these little details about the world of Jesus and they incorporated it in ways that most people might not even notice. But they cared that much about the detail and it really impacted how the show came across and how it allowed you to go into that world. And so I just did a video on that, like pointing out some of those different things that I had noticed, and then really watched nothing happen. You know, I put it out there, maybe 100 people watched it. Nothing really big happened, I think.
Speaker 2:I created another video and then it was at a season in my life where I was just exhausted and decided I couldn't do this anymore. I'd done it for two years, nothing had happened. And I remember very specifically praying God if you want this thing to grow, then I will be ready to come back. But until that point that you call me back, come back. But until that point that you call me back, I'm gonna let this thing go, and no joke. I think it was a week to two weeks after I quote-unquote quit that that video just blew up and what I watched was a channel that had, you know, would your videos that would get a hundred views. All of a sudden, they were getting a hundred000 views. Wow, this channel that had maybe 800 subscribers went up to 8,000 and then 80,000.
Speaker 2:And it just, you know, grew and grew, and what I realized was that there was this hunger out there for the same thing that filled me with so much joy and excitement, and that was understanding the context of the world of Jesus. And so I just realized that's going to be the point of this channel that I was going to make videos that help people know what it was like to live at that time, to see scripture differently and to share those things that were really just transforming my life. And so it's been this amazing journey and opportunity to do that and to really give people insights into the context of the Bible and how that changes. Even some things that we've been told you know for most of our lives are those things that I believed most of my life, and a great example of that would be kind of what you mentioned about just this idea of believing in Jesus versus following Jesus. And you know, the context even just behind that is that it's Jesus doesn't just say believe in me, and I think that's where, you know, I grew up in church with always being told all you have to do is believe in Jesus and that's all that matters, Because if you believe in Jesus, you get to heaven and that's the whole goal of all this.
Speaker 2:And then, as you start diving into scripture and looking at what Jesus actually says, that's not what he says at all. You know, Jesus does say believe in me, but there's so much more behind that. In fact, the very word believe is pisteuo, which doesn't just mean this thought that passes through your head, but it's this thing that takes a commitment of your entire life and your actions, and that's what Jesus is saying when he says follow me, yes, except that I'm the Messiah, but I need you to give everything to me. It's this whole surrender of your life. That's what this is about, about following me completely, not just about agreeing with a fact or an idea, but really completely surrendering yourself to me and to let me be your savior.
Speaker 1:And so that is why I was so hooked on your book, because see what he just did there, you guys. He took a word that we understand in our current culture. We understand what believe means in our culture and our life and we read the Bible and we see that word from 2,000 years ago and we apply our current day understanding to their situation. We apply our current day understanding to their situation. And what Brandon points out in his book, which I found so helpful, are all these words that actually meant so much more than that or meant something different than that in the original Greek or Hebrew, whatever it was written in, and that really helped me understand.
Speaker 1:I said to my husband this morning I don't think this is an example you give in the book, but for me a real mind-changing perspective was when I understood in the Bible when the writer talks about fearing the Lord fear for the Lord, fear of the Lord and that in my language today would mean be afraid of God, be afraid of God, be afraid of God. In my language today it would mean be afraid of God, be afraid of God, be afraid of God. But my understanding today is that that really meant more about worship the Lord, have reverence for the Lord, have respect for the Lord. He's the creator of the universe, he is sovereign, he is all of these things. So when I read fear the Lord, now I really read love and worship the Lord. Love and worship the Lord, which is so different than be afraid of God?
Speaker 2:I know and just think of how that changes your relationship with Jesus and how many people spent so much of their life thinking that they needed to be afraid of God and yet kind of missed out on so much else that's in Scripture because of that one word. And that's what I love is when you can unlock that and it just changes the way you start seeing the Bible and reading it. I mean, one of the words for me that was like that was the word hate, Because I'd read this passage where Jesus says you know, if you want to follow me, you've got to hate your mother and father, your brother and sister, your wife and your children, and even yourself. And I'm like, why in the world is Jesus, this one who we all think of as somebody who's so focused on love, telling us that we have to hate? Well, if you understand the context of love and hate in Hebrew, they're not emotional words as much as sometimes they're just matters of choice To love something is to choose it and to hate something is to not choose it.
Speaker 2:So essentially, what Jesus is saying is if you want to be my disciple, then you have to choose me over everyone else in your life. And then when you understand the context of what it meant to be a disciple, where you would literally leave your family, leave your job, leave your home and go wherever a rabbi went and do whatever he did and pay attention to every detail of his life. Well, now that makes so much more sense because Jesus is saying is, if you want to be my disciple, you've got to literally be willing to leave all of that for me. And now that whole scripture just makes complete sense and also doesn't have me worrying about Jesus who tells me I have to hate people.
Speaker 1:That's right. That was another one that really kind of turned my thinking. And the other aspect, talking about the chosen kind of bringing to life the idea for people of what it was like to be a disciple of Jesus first of all, and throughout the Bible stories where people came to him for healing. You know the woman at the well and he already knew her whole story. You know he already knows all of our whole stories.
Speaker 1:A new concept to me recently is this idea of spiritual formation. This author talks about the idea of let's suppose we hear a sermon and the sermon says you need to trust God. You need to trust God, stop having anxiety about all these other things and put your trust in God. So on Monday morning you're like I am going to trust God more, I am going to trust. And by Monday at noon you're worrying about something that we have no control over, that's trying to do it on our own, because meanwhile God's sitting here saying you know, I'm just over here.
Speaker 1:The idea of spiritual formation, of really understanding what it is to be a disciple. He already knows everything about us, he already knows. So instead of saying I am going to trust God more, we start out by saying I'm going to talk to God about why I have a problem trusting him. I can be honest with him and you know what, god, I really need your help with this. I am bad at this. I'm not good at trusting you. I keep trying to do all these things on my own. Would you help me trust you more, and then we, and just continue to talk to God, talk to God, talk to God.
Speaker 1:Instead of what we do, what I do, is hide from God, hide from God, hide from God. I'm just going to try to be good and I'm going to try to do these things that I hear that I should do, instead of walking beside him. I'm your disciple. You know all my faults. I'm not telling you anything. You don't know, but it's like the little kid who puts his hands over his eyes so that you can't see him. I can see you. It's a very nuanced approach, brandon, but it is so different.
Speaker 2:It is so freeing.
Speaker 1:And so you're a pastor. You know all about this. What has been your experience in trying to help people understand that? You know he already knows everything about us.
Speaker 2:Well, I think you know what's really interesting about the example you just gave is it's something my wife and I were talking about the other day. We were talking about just things like anxiety and worry and, you know, feeling guilty for that, and I said, you know. But what's interesting to me is the fact that Jesus gives this whole speech about worrying and you know, I take care of the birds, and all of that means that there were a whole lot of worried people right, like Jesus was very used to and surrounded by people who really struggled with this. The fact that we struggle with it is not unique and not even shameful in and of itself. It's this thing that happens within us and we try to figure out how, then, to respond to that.
Speaker 2:And this is where I think that what the show and hopefully what the book does is helpful, and that is to allow us to ask ourselves if Jesus was right there next to me, if I was one of his disciples and I was really wrestling with this, what would I do?
Speaker 2:Like if I was walking with him along the road and we were traveling from Capernaum to Chorazin and we had a good hour to two hours to walk together, what would I do? Would I sit here and just dwell on my worry and think about how I have to figure all of that out myself? Or if I was walking with my rabbi, would I say, rabbi, I'm really worried about this, tell me, give me some wisdom, or just tell me to understand what to do? And I think you know, as Christians we're like we don't have that benefit of being able to actually walk with Jesus, but we do have access through the Holy Spirit. We absolutely have the ability to surrender in prayer and to say, rabbi, tell me what I need to do. We have the ability to go to the scriptures and allow the Spirit to speak to us. It's not the same, but I think, if we view it from that perspective of what would I do if Jesus was right next to me, if I was his disciple, would I just talk to him in this moment? Then let me just go talk to him. It just shifts how we interact in that relationship with Jesus.
Speaker 1:I had a friend ask me not too long ago, you know, admittedly she's like I'm not interested in the Bible, nothing wrong with that but she asked me. I said something about anxiety and she said, oh, does the Bible ever talk about anxiety? And I thought about. I thought that's all the Bible talks about.
Speaker 1:You know it's all about peace and trusting God and, you know, cast your anxiety on him. But throughout it's like you know, in this world you will have trouble. But fear not, I've overcome the world. I mean, it's all over the place. So it always interests me, brandon, that you know there's nothing new under the sun, right, this was going on.
Speaker 1:People were people 2000 years ago and, amazingly, we haven't figured out how to fix it yet. So I don't think we're supposed to fix it. You know, in fact I wrote today in my journal. It's talking about idols and the idea of having a perfect world with a perfect political leader and a perfect pastor and a perfect everything is an idol. There's never been a perfect world, you know. Maybe God's like you guys. I mean, have leaders ever been perfect on either side? I mean, gosh, we used to have this guy who cut off his wife's heads if they didn't have male children. I mean, we've never had perfect. Why do we expect this? So now I'm going off on a tangent, but I can accept that the world isn't perfect because Jesus said it wasn't even supposed to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think it really does come back to the heart of discipleship, right, because discipleship is about surrender, it's about being willing, you know.
Speaker 2:I mean, the very idea of being a disciple is not just that you learn everything that your rabbi knows, but it is that you surrender so much and pay attention so much to like the way that he eats and the way that he combs his hair, and the way that he tells a joke and the way that he talks to people, that you become your rabbi's reflection.
Speaker 2:So you're surrendering yourself to become the image of your rabbi, which, for us, is Jesus. We want to be the image of Jesus, and I think that's where you see the very opposite of what you just described, which is a world in which we try to control everything. If I can have this perfect thing and if I can coordinate all the things of my life in the way that I want them to be, then I will be at peace and then I will be content. And yet it's the very opposite, because Jesus is telling us again and again no, no, the way to do this is not for you to figure out how to make it all happen. The way is to surrender to me and let me be the one who is in charge of your life and the one who is guiding you and the one who's forming you and shaping you, and I just think that is such a different perspective, but really at the heart of who we're called to be.
Speaker 1:And it's a lifetime pursuit, right? So let's be specific. Suppose someone's never seen the Chosen. Can you share an example from your book where a scene from the Chosen offers new insight into a familiar Bible passage? Like it's accurate. It's really helpful in learning. Or maybe people who have watched all of the Chosen aren't aware of the differences between some scenes that are fictionalized and some that really do amplify what Jesus was trying to teach us. If you could give an example of one that really amplified, I'd be interested.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean there's so many really interesting things. I think that happen. So one of the things that season one, especially this, is the focus of this book, one of the things that it does especially well, is it really like pinpoints these key moments, whether it's the wedding at Cana, or meeting of the Samaritan woman, or the calling of Matthew. And I think that's one the calling of Matthew where we really get an insight into the what the world of Jesus was like and how that changes the way we read scripture. So from the very moment you meet him, matthew is this man who is hated and despised. And the reason is because in the first century world the way that it worked with tax collection is a tax collector is somebody who would say I'm going to pay you all of this money in advance, they're paying it to the Roman government, I'm going to pay kind of everybody's taxes and then I get to collect whatever I want. And so they could just massively, you know, raise people's taxes and basically impoverish their people while at the same time making themselves wealthy. And in the first century this was terrible in the area of Galilee. I mean, in Galilee at that point, 70% of land had been transferred to the ownership of landed gentry, and all of these people who had had land and family farms had to sell it and become day laborers because the taxes were so high and they couldn't pay it. And then here's somebody like Matthew who's living in fine robes and he's, you know, got this big house. And so you get this sense of why he's despised, which is one of those things that it's like. They're in the gospels, you know. You hear how the religious leaders are like why would you hang out with tax collectors? But now, all of a sudden, you get it. You begin to see why people hate them so much.
Speaker 2:But then what makes it even more amazing is the moment that Matthew decides to follow Jesus. And when Jesus comes and he passes by and he says come and follow me. And these are these Hebrew words, lech acharai, which a rabbi would say to somebody he was specifically calling to become his disciple, well then Matthew literally leaves everything. I mean the same thing that happens in scripture he drops everything, he walks away from his tax booth and he goes and he follows Jesus. And what makes this significant is two things. One, it gives us a sense of the cost of discipleship, like when we have been talking about this idea of leaving your family and your home and your job. Matthew leaves all this wealth, all this money that he's paid on in advance. He essentially gives all of it up to go and to follow Jesus, which is this huge sacrifice that this tax collector is willing to make, that the average person is not.
Speaker 2:But then, on top of that, what I love about it is it totally changes the way that we start to see other scriptures. For instance, the moment that Jesus is talking to a rich young man and the rich young man says you know, what do I need to do to experience eternal life? And Jesus names these commandments and he's like I do all of that. You know, I've done it since I was young. And Jesus says well, that's great. Then the only thing you need to do is sell your possessions and come and follow me.
Speaker 2:And that rich man can't do it. And but we see those words follow me. What we know is that in that moment, jesus was saying come and be my disciple, and the thing that held him back was the thing that Matthew was willing to give up. And so, all of a sudden, just all of these scriptures start to come together and we get to see that lived out in the show, and those details about tax collectors and what they're doing to their people. All of that stuff is in there, and so then we get to dive a little bit deeper and understand the world even better.
Speaker 1:Can I ask a question? This is not. Is it true that of all the disciples, obviously not Judas and not John, because I believe he died of old age on that island is Patmos or whatever but did? Were all of the other disciples somehow martyred?
Speaker 2:For the most part, there are, you know, very, very conflicting stories about who died and where they died, and I think Thaddeus might be another one I'd have to go back and look who. There's not necessarily any account of his actual death, but yeah, for the most part, the traditions that exist are that every disciple died and, for the most part, died a gruesome death. So you know, simon the Zealot is said to have been sawed in half. Andrew is said to have been crucified in the shape of an X rather than on a regular cross. Multiple disciples were crucified upside down. There's a really terrible story about how Matthew was taken and crucified on the floor and then set on fire and the building burned down on top of him. So essentially, what you begin to see is that, whatever the case, they died terrible deaths to be able to take the gospel to the ends of the earth.
Speaker 1:And so how that strikes me is these were the guys who actually spent time with Jesus. But when Jesus was crucified you know, that's like end of story game over I thought this guy was a God. How come he couldn't get himself off the cross? Oh no, we've been duped. So there's no believers on Friday and Saturday. Saturday, there's no believers. And then they had to have seen the resurrected Jesus. That has to be true, because that many people would not have willingly died without knowing. Oh, you know what this stuff. I got to go through this, but I know what's on the other side of this because I saw him. I know it's true. And, brandon, that is actually, for me, that was the okay from a logical perspective. For me, that was the okay from a logical perspective. I'm going to believe this is true Because I know human nature and I know people and there is no way in my mind that all of those people would have suffered to that degree had they not really known it was true.
Speaker 2:Right? Yeah, I mean, if they see Jesus' body in a heap somewhere along with a bunch of crucified people, why are you willing to die for that? I mean, and I think that's one of the things that you see, that really makes Christianity unique, because Jesus is not the only Messiah figure to come through at that time. I mean, there was just one after another, after another, and they would get large followings of people, sometimes even a bit larger than what Jesus seems to have at the end of it all, but nevertheless, when they die, everybody goes away and says, oh, we must have picked the wrong guy. And yet here with Jesus, it spreads to the end of the earth.
Speaker 1:Now that is super interesting, brandon. I've never heard that I've got to go to your church. That is really good. Well, you know there are so many. I have a million questions for Brandon and I promised him. I mean, this is a man who does a new YouTube video. I have to tell you, every Wednesday he does a new YouTube video and they're really interesting. They really pinpoint specific like did you know? Kinds of things. He also has this free download on his website, which is 10 words. That will change the way you read the Bible. We've talked about one. He talked about the word hate. You know, hate your family, hate your father, hate your loved ones, but that's not what it meant. So just that one word significantly changes our understanding of what Jesus was trying to tell us. So you can go to, is it brandonrobbinscom?
Speaker 2:It's brandonrobbinsministrycom brandonrobbinsministrycom.
Speaker 1:We'll have it in the show notes, but I want you to remember that so you can go now, sign up, get his free download and subscribe to his YouTube channel so you can see these new videos. Of course you can buy his book. It's called the Forgotten Teachings of Jesus. Of course you can buy it on Amazon and anywhere books are sold. We know he has another book on the way. You must you have to, because I'm lucky he's really young, so he's got a lot of miles here, a lot of books left in him, and I'm looking forward to reading him. I just want to thank you so much for taking your time. I'm just, I'm just really inspired. I'm really inspired and I appreciate the insight that you've given me. I'm looking forward to following you on your YouTube channel.
Speaker 2:Oh well, thank you so much. It's been a pleasure to chat with you.
Speaker 1:And good luck with the book and we'll talk to you with your next book.
Speaker 2:Thank you very much. Have a good one.
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