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From Reality TV to Real Faith: Amy Duggar King's Courageous Truth
Amy Duggar King shares her journey from growing up next door to the famous Duggar family to finding peace after the shocking scandals that rocked her world. Through her powerful memoir "Holy Disruptor," she reveals how she maintained authentic faith while setting boundaries with family still entrenched in fundamentalist beliefs.
• Contrasting her normal Christian upbringing with her cousins' ultra-conservative IBLP lifestyle
• Being labeled the "crazy cousin" on TLC's reality show simply for wearing jeans and climbing trees
• Learning about her cousin Josh's abuse scandal through tabloid headlines in 2015
• Discovering how the IBLP system fails to educate children about abuse and prohibits professional counseling
• Setting necessary boundaries with family members while maintaining her own faith
• Finding peace amid chaos and creating a different homeschooling experience for her son
• Turning down fame opportunities that would have compromised her authenticity
• Embracing the truth that "God is not the author of confusion"
Get Amy's book "Holy Disruptor: Shattering the Shiny Facade by Getting Louder with the Truth" and follow her on Instagram @AmyRachelleKing where she personally responds to messages and offers prayer and encouragement.
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I would like to welcome Amy Duggar King to the Pivotal People podcast. I know you recognize her name. Anyone who's ever seen the show 19 Kids and Counting probably recognizes this name. She was in the show and she has written a really powerful book we're going to talk about today. It is called Holy Disruptor Shattering the Shiny Facade by Getting Louder with the Truth. Amy is a very faithful Christian and has a very compelling story. I have, of course, read the book. I've highlighted it, I've underlined, I've even pulled out a couple of key pages that I want to own as a life philosophy. Her very last two pages of her book are so powerful, but you really have to read the whole book to understand why that's so powerful. So I'm going to be quiet, amy, because I am so thankful. I'm so thankful that you came on the Pivotal People podcast to share your story. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2:I am honored. Honestly. Thank you, stephanie, and for everyone listening. I'm excited to share my story and just hopefully it helps someone out there and encourages hearts Well let's get started.
Speaker 1:Why don't you start out, Amy, by telling us a little bit about what you do now, who you do life with, and then we'll get into your past story. Sounds great.
Speaker 2:So now I am a homeschool mama. I have a little five-year-old little boy who is like our entire world. I've been married for 10 years now. Hopefully it'll be a lot longer than that, but yeah, just I have found peace in the middle of chaos and in the middle of life and how crazy it can get sometimes, and so I just really am focusing on just peace. Be still in all aspects of my life, yes, and that's really what I got from your book.
Speaker 1:I'm going to ask you to start kind of at the beginning and share the story with listeners who might not be familiar with it. I wasn't familiar with it, so I'm sure there are lots of people. But what hit me about your book is that you're sharing a very candid, very personal story, but in the context of your faith, in the context of let's not throw away all of Christianity. That's not what this is. This is let's look at Christianity in a different way and let's surface the true faith of Jesus and let's remind people what that is. And that's what I love about your book is you are just reminding us what true faith in Christ looks like, even if you have gone through some really painful, traumatic experiences from Christians.
Speaker 2:I think a lot of people think that if you have had issues or health issues or no matter if it's relationships and broken families, if you grow up in chaos kind of like I did, that God doesn't love you, he's mad at you or you know any of that. And so you start taking it out on God, your circumstances, and instead, when I was a little girl, I was around so much yelling, so I mean glass breaking, just it was awful. I felt like the yelling and the anger that was in the household would it would shake the walls. That's how crazy bad it was. And I remember crawling out the window and going outside in my backyard and just looking up at the sky. You know, and I'm this little girl and I just remember saying to myself it won't be like this forever. One day it won't be like this.
Speaker 2:And so for me, I just held on to that hope, because if we don't have hope, then we don't have faith, you know. And without faith, what do we really have? And I just knew that one day I was going to make choices that were going to be different. Even as when I was like young, as six years old, I knew I was going to make different choices in my life and I'm here today to you know. Spread that good news to everyone listening. Yeah, god's good.
Speaker 1:He's good. Yes, your book talks about the term of generational trauma, and so you had an experience, starting with your probably grandfather and then your own father. Yes, and your connection to the Duggar family, who we've seen on TV. You're their cousin.
Speaker 2:I am the oldest cousin. Yes, so Jim Bob is my mom's brother.
Speaker 1:So the father in the series is Jim Bob, and he had one sister, who is your mother, deanna, which is interesting because your mother and father had one child you. Yes yeah, and the Duggars had 19.
Speaker 2:That's correct, and you lived right next to each other, right? We were like, yes, yeah, so what? Growing up I lived right next door. Josh would actually sneak around like sneak down the trail to come see me in the Arkansas woods. And then as we got older, they moved about five minutes away, the Arkansas woods, and then, as we got older, they moved about five minutes away. Yeah, I was very, very, very close with them. I grew up just always at their house, always spending as most time as possible. I was an only child, but I also loved that like companionship and they were just so fun and it was such a loving household.
Speaker 1:So you and Josh, who was the oldest of the 19, were roughly the same age.
Speaker 2:Yes, he's a year apart from me, but a year and a half, something like that. His is March 3rd and he's like a year younger, if I could say that Younger.
Speaker 1:You saw all of the additional 18 kids being born.
Speaker 2:I have held them all as a tiny little infant.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, and so you were involved. You talk in your book about what it was like and there were many years before the show started. How old were you when the it was a TLC reality show called 19 and Counting Started out? Being called 17 and Counting, then 18 and Counting, then 19 and Counting? Yep, and it was. Michelle was the mother, jim Bob was the father, a very traditional Christian family, and I think the fascination the show did incredibly well, didn't it?
Speaker 2:The show was a huge success for TLC.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, and it was fascinating to see I saw some clips what it looks like to grocery shop for a household of 21 people. What it looks like a laundry.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, oh yeah. My grandma helped with the laundry and did over 70 loads I think closer to 80 loads a week of laundry and they had one loads, one mast, one closet for the entire family's clothes. Yes, yeah, it was like a huge rainbow in there for the entire family's clothes.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, it was like a huge rainbow in there. Yes, all the sizes lined up, all the sizes by color, and then all the kids were homeschooled.
Speaker 2:They were, so they all played violin as well.
Speaker 1:Interesting. And so at what point did TLC say we want to make a show about this. And then that's when everything changed. Reality TV is not really reality TV. It's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it was great for a long time. I was on the show for close to 80, I think, even more than like 80 episodes. So I was on the show for season after season after season after season and for a really, really long time. It was wonderful. We all got along, everybody loved the film crew, everybody loved the network. Everybody was happy and smiling and great.
Speaker 2:But they named me on the show, they invited me on the show and they named me crazy cousin Amy and I was known as kind of not being rebellious, but they were very ultra, ultra conservative. They couldn't wear jeans, they couldn't wear, they couldn't watch TV, they couldn't listen to music with any kind of offbeat, and so for me, I grew up in a pretty normal childhood as far as like what I was allowed to do, and so I wore jeans and tank tops when it was, you know, a hundred degrees outside, and jean shorts and I climbed trees and I did a bunch of stuff, and so it was like a comparison. I was like the parallel universe compared to my cousins and what they couldn't do versus what I could do. So I became crazy cousin Amy on the show.
Speaker 1:Well, to be more specific and the documentary talks about that, would you say that the Duggar families, that Jim Bob's family was involved in a cult?
Speaker 2:I truly do believe that. Yeah, if you look up the meaning of a cult, it's following a leader who makes up rules. And unfortunately, yes, the IBLP is extremely oh it's just extremely unhealthy, and it promotes control, and it promotes just not having any accountability for the leader. And so for the leader would be any kind of father within the household and they can pretty much do whatever they want and they can make whatever rules they want, and there's no accountability for them.
Speaker 1:And so clarify, amy, for people who don't know what does IBLP stand for?
Speaker 2:IBLP stands for Institute of Basic Life Principles, and it is Bill Gothard who decided that he was going to create this foundation and basically say hey, for all of those who want to follow, I've got the answers to life, I have the keys in order to for you not to have a terrible or nothing bad will ever happen to you. So they believe, especially the daughters there's a lot of control over the women and they have this belief that if a woman is about to get married, until she's married, she's under the umbrella of authority and her dad takes care of her the entire time. She's not allowed to have a job outside of the home. She's not allowed. There's so many things that she's not allowed to do. You're not allowed to have just traditional dating. It's very much of a courtship instead. But you're under this umbrella of authority.
Speaker 2:If you step out of the umbrella, something bad will happen. So it's very like fear signaling. You know of like, very just like fear. So if you step out of the umbrella, you have a flat tire. You could get like, very like ill. You know you could hurt God. You could hurt God. He might not approve of what you're doing, and so you fall back underneath that umbrella so that you're safe and secure and you won't have bad things happen to you. So if you can believe that way, then once you're married, then the husband is over you and he is the umbrella, and so it's very much a control tactic.
Speaker 1:So yeah, the documentary you did, shiny, happy people, really details some, some of the tenets of Institute of biblical family basic life, basically, yeah, so the title doesn't. The title does not suggest any religious, it doesn't? It doesn't, but they do identify as Christians do identify as Christians.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's just like ultra conservative, like very fundamentalist kind of style of how they do their teachings and it's crazy because it goes into, you know how they all homeschool and what they're taught, what they're not taught and unfortunately that leaves a lot of gaps where a lot of things can happen and a lot of abuse can take place.
Speaker 1:So when we talk about homeschool, there's so many different versions of that. In the IBLP's tradition they had actual booklets which dictated what they thought you needed to learn and the children would sit at a table and study the booklets. And that was the extent. I love it Amy talks about she is homeschooling her five-year-old and it's hands-on and they're cooking and they're going on nature hikes and they're going to cool museums and he's learning creative kinds of active things. He's not sitting at a desk reading pre-programmed literature.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do not believe that a child needs to sit down for eight hours a day at a desk in order to learn. They are especially at kindergarten level. You know it's hands-on, it's learning through games. We have freeze tag edition, we play, and you know we make up all kinds of games.
Speaker 2:The other day I literally had my entire floor. The floor is lava, and I put construction papers and I put all the blends you know of, like CR and PL and all those all over my floor and he had to jump to each letter and he had to learn, and so I think there's just a really beautiful way to homeschool in a very safe and productive way. That's very much like not boring, right, I wanted to do things different. I really did. I saw how my cousins were homeschooled. It was very rigid. They didn't really have time to do a whole lot of anything during the day and I was like I don't, I think I want to do it way, way different. So, yeah, it works for us and he loves it and he's learning and he just just was tested and he's on the first grade level even though he's in kindergarten, so good for you Really good yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1:I love it. I love that. That's. That was one of the things that jumped out to me. So back to just so the people understand the environment of when I listened to Jim, bob and Michelle. You know it all sounds really good. They seem like very nice people. It all sounds really good. Their children are really obedient. They have to be. They've got a household of 19 kids. When a new baby is born, an older child is assigned to it After the baby is weaned. Michelle says the older child is like a buddy system. But then later on in the documentary they're interviewing some of the older kids who said it was exhausting. I was seven years old, I was 11 years old and I have to get up with the baby in the middle of the night and I'm exhausted all the time and it's not like mommy it's like they really play mommy or like a very glorified long babysitting.
Speaker 2:you know situation? It's yeah, they're, they're tired. You're taking care of two to three kids and yeah, that's bathing meals everything.
Speaker 1:So, okay, now we've got the picture for people who haven't, so, enter the reality show. Of course, this is fascinating TV. I could barely handle two kids, so, yes, I wouldn't. It's pretty interesting to see how they grocery shop and how they cook, and so your role is now. Yes, amy's grown up in the church and she's, you know, your garden variety Christian, like most of us, and she's her family's, not part of IBLP. So she just walks over to the house to see her grandmother one day and the producers of the reality show pull her in because this is good TV. This is good TV. You've got this cute, funny, full of personality gal who's not wearing a prairie dress. All the girls had to wear these prairie dresses, modesty and Amy's funny. So I can certainly see why the producers pulled you in, and that's fun. You're on TV and you probably. How many years were you involved before it got a little sour? How many years were good?
Speaker 2:Oh gosh, oh, there were several seasons. There were several seasons. I was on there, I mean for all of my 20s, really I was on there, and it wasn't until I was married at 28. So it probably was, like, I don't know, 2526. Something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the show started. Just for people to know the show started what year? 2003, let me think. Let me think I'm going to say 2007 or 2008 something along those lines, and then yes, and then 2007 or 2008, and then 2015, was a scandalous incident 2015 was the craziest year, I think, of my life.
Speaker 2:Yes, so tell us what happened. What happened? Oh my gosh, everything happened in 2015. Well, I got married and right before our wedding, I heard some chatter, heard some things that were going on, and I went to Walmart and I looked down and I found a magazine rack and it said House of Horrors and the front cover was my cousin's house. And I found out, like everyone else on nationwide news, that my family was involved in a horrible, horrible scandal and that my cousin was sexually molesting his sisters and that it broke us down, it broke our hearts, it tore us to pieces and it really really started to paint a picture that not everything was so rosy, not everything was as happy as it looked from the outside.
Speaker 1:So in your book you talk about that. You say that to roll back, this is Josh, the oldest boy that in 2006, the police were tipped off that he had been involved in this child molestation in about 2003 and 2004. So a couple years after it happened, the police are tipped off. It's a small town. Your dad gets involved. They do speak to someone in the police department and that person agreed to give Josh another chance.
Speaker 2:That person also. This will be interesting, stephanie, to tell you. That person that they talked to in the police department also went to prison for child pornography.
Speaker 1:Okay, so abuse material yes that's right, okay so.
Speaker 1:So Josh is let free, but before. Okay. So let me tell you, when I started to read that part of the story, I am villain in my head. I am villainizing Josh In reality. Now we know more than we knew in 2006. Pornography addiction is an addiction like drugs or alcohol might be. 30 years ago we didn't have much compassion for people who had drug and alcohol addiction. Now we know more about that. We can have a little bit of compassion. Josh, at a young age, in your book you said he went to his parents before this came out saying I think I have a problem.
Speaker 2:But my grandma told me yeah, my grandma was like he's tried to get help.
Speaker 1:Yes, but this is not an environment where you're allowed to have a problem Correct. So that was not addressed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so just to clarify for those that are listening in the IBLP you were taught that feelings need to honor God in all ways. So you have to be happy, you have to be pleasant, you have to be cordial, you have to be soft-spoken and you just have to, like go with life and with a big smile on your face, and that if you are having a hard day, you may not show that. That is not something that you will show to the world, that is not something you show to your family or anyone around. So they were taught at a very young age that feelings they had to be masked and because of that reason, josh had a terrible secret, in my opinion, and it grew and grew and grew, unchecked.
Speaker 1:And he, you know, according to your grandmother, came forward with the secret to his parents before the show ever started, correct? So this was OK. So then, after the show started and was so successful and your family was so public, naturally that couldn't come to light.
Speaker 2:That would be even worse. Yeah, no one knew. I mean no one knew. I didn't know, I had no idea until it was national news. Yeah, so I do have a little.
Speaker 1:You know, my heart broke a little bit for that boy who went to his parents and admitted something that had to be really hard to admit and fast forward then in 2015,. What prompted the information about the 2006 kind of cover up?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we went to Oprah and I wasn't on the show with them, but I went and, yeah, we were there about to film with Oprah and was about to air and she got a tip. Someone called in and said, hey, you need to check this family out before you air it. And we still I don't know who that is, I have no idea who called in, but honestly, in a way, I'm kind of glad they did, because sin will always be found out, always, and it just shows that light cannot hide in darkness and it'll always, always out, always, and it just shows that light cannot hide in darkness and it'll always, always win, always. And so, yeah, you can't hide a crime, you just can't. And so, yeah, it really opened up a whole new world for everyone who thought that they were the epitome of a Christian family.
Speaker 1:And just to clarify it's okay for Christian families to have falls from grace, because we're all human. Oh my goodness, yeah, we're not perfect.
Speaker 2:We're not perfect. We have a perfect God. We are not perfect not at all but you know we can keep ourselves in check and there are things to keep us healthy. I think God gave us counselors for a reason, you know for those that need medicine. You know there's a million things that can help any kind of situation out there. But we know we're not perfect. I don't ever consider myself anywhere near that.
Speaker 1:And that's what I so like about your book is that I think you're pointing out the Duggars might have been an extreme example of presenting a perfect front, because that's what God expects from us. They might be an extreme example of that, but there is a spectrum. I think. We can all look at various parts in our faith journey or people we know and say they are crippled by thinking they need to be perfect. Am I crippled by thinking I need to be perfect? There's nothing we can hide from God because, guess what? He knows all of it.
Speaker 1:So, as you are in your book, a healthy Christian, I think, can go to God and say you know who I am, you know, I know I don't want to feel XYZ, I don't want to think XYZ. Could you help transform my mind? Could you fill me with your spirit, with your love? I mean I. The first step is being able to be honest with God, absolutely. But so I look at the Duggars and I think, okay, I can, in a way I can understand. Yeah, they meant well, I think initially when you talk about.
Speaker 1:IBLP. The appeal is here is a system that will keep your loved ones safe. That's really all. The original intent was how to keep people safe from this horrible, awful world, or safe from drugs, or safe from child molestation and the. And the truth is that you know we live in a fallen world. Stuff is going to go wrong, and so, in 2015, when this blew up, what happened next? What happened next for all of you?
Speaker 2:Oh, I think we kind of just, we were like I said, we were heartbroken, we didn't know what to do. How do you go about that? You know, my uncle also told me cause we called him before you know, when I don't even saw the magazine cover. I called my uncle and I said, hey, what, what is this? What is this? And he responded with oh, it's nothing to worry about, they just needed a scandal that you know. They just picked our family for just a story, Just media blowing it out of proportion, no big deal.
Speaker 2:And so that was the first time my uncle has lied to me and I loved him and I respected him and I thought that he literally stood on a pedestal. Okay, I thought he was the epitome of a man and the kind of wisdom and the kind of structure that I would want in my life someday. And I was. When I found that out that that was not true and that it was a complete lie, I realized that I need to start looking at, like other people's faith differently. Right, Like, no one is perfect, and I think for me, that pedestal that everyone was on my whole entire family was on it I thought they would be perfect. Family slid out from underneath them, yeah.
Speaker 1:So TLC canceled the show and then just a few months later, something else happened to Josh and other scandal. We don't have to go into all the detail, you can read it in the book. But it eventually led to. Is he in prison now?
Speaker 2:He is 12 years and seven months For right now it could go up if he finds another cell phone or something like that. But yeah, he's. He's in there for quite a while.
Speaker 1:And he has children and a wife. Yes, so it's a tragic, it's a tragic ending and I guess. So I want to ask you from your book, you don't have any communication with your cousins or your aunt or uncle anymore, or do you?
Speaker 2:Unfortunately. So here's here's my thought on that. Boundaries are super important. There's something that I have made very well known throughout my Instagram, through all social media, through everywhere I talk to Boundaries are key In the IBLP.
Speaker 2:The biggest thing that I have against them or not against them, but against IBLP in the system is that they do not teach children what abuse is. They are not sexually educated, so if something happens to them, it's just like oh well, that happened to me too, oh, that happened to me, that happened to me. But you're also not allowed to get any kind of professional counseling at all. They don't believe in it. So not only is it's breeding abuse right, because no one is talking about it, kids don't know.
Speaker 2:And if they hurt, if they're hurt, if anything happens, it's not reported right. And then, on top of that, when you are hurt and you are vandalized and you are, your innocence is taken away, stripped away completely. You're not allowed to heal, you're not allowed to get that healing that a counseling you know could could offer. And so, yes, because of that reason, I have stepped back and I do have boundaries put up, because my family still believes in the IVLP and I cannot support that. I cannot support that. So, yes, I have very strict boundaries and we have not seen them for quite a while.
Speaker 1:I am so sorry about that. This book is called Holy Disruptor. So it's now 10 years after that blow up and I so love your last chapter. Amy talks a lot about peace, about really having a life of genuine peace, and we haven't talked all about it today, but her childhood was extremely chaotic and it started with her grandfather, her father. She lived with it for many, many years and then this you know unexpected, this, you know unexpected traumatic disappointment in 2015, which was 10 years ago.
Speaker 2:And today I mean, she's absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 1:I know this is audio, but beautiful and healthy and married to a great guy, because, I'm sorry, I have looked at your Instagram. I've seen your precious family, sweet boy. She has this great homeschooling program. She has a strong faith that is so authentic and I want to ask about that. You've sent me some questions and I usually don't read the questions verbatim, but these are such good questions, so I want to ask this one. Yes, please go ahead. This is in a world full of Christian catchphrases and surface level spirituality. You draw a line between performative faith and authentic character. What does it mean to you to live out real faith?
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, I love that question. Real faith is walking with Jesus every second of the day. I had someone ask me on Instagram just the other day Amy, do I really need Jesus in my life to go to heaven? And I was like, honey, you need Jesus to go to Walmart. You know what I mean. Like for real, like I have.
Speaker 2:My Bible is literally right here, like I can show you. This is not like I had it this morning, it is right here. This is true, living words, you know, and it's a, it's a, it's our lifeline, it is our lifeline. And so, for me, I just man, like it's walking every day. It's the music you listen to, it's the people you surround yourself with, it's how you parent, it's how you don't yell and you try to connect with your kids. You know it's all of these things and it's just like what would Jesus do?
Speaker 2:And I really, really, really really considered that in my book of like, how am I going to come across not bitter? How am I going to come across that, like I, there's a, there's a peace that has my world? You know he's just right there. So, no matter what it is I am like, is this going to bring me closer to peace. Is this bring peace into my life or is it chaos and confusion? And if you think in the Bible, god is not and God is not the author of confusion, hey there, it is right there, plain and simple. I could have one line of my book God is not the author of confusion. Peace be still the end you read my book.
Speaker 1:I am smiling so hard. It's just so good. I mean you are so delightful, I mean I am you, just everything you just said. I'm so glad this is recorded. I am playing that clip all over Instagram. Oh my gosh beautiful message you don't need God to go to heaven, you need God to go to Walmart. That's right, you really do. You need to get gas in your car?
Speaker 2:You do.
Speaker 2:It's true though it's just peace, be still in all aspects of our lives. And I think we see that verse and we see it on t-shirts and whatever, and we're like peace be still, yeah, yeah, but like no, think about it, like if you have peace and you're still right, then like everything is in harmony, everything works for good, and that's just like. What I've learned through this entire process is I can't change people, you know. I can't change the outlook, I can't change how our family is and how it's divided and I can't change the people that have really, you know, let me down and broke my heart in the past. But I can change the people that I have around my life and in my life and I can have peace, regardless of what's going on.
Speaker 1:I still love that. Thank you, Drop the mic on that. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:And I can have peace regardless of what's going on.
Speaker 1:I so love that. Thank you. Drop the mic on that, oh my gosh. No, thank you. Well, I do want to ask you now again, you're gonna have to read her book to get this Okay, but she has some incredible stories when you are on television.
Speaker 1:I was on television for about like 15 minutes and it led to so many opportunities. She was on television for many years, so you cannot imagine people who knocked on her door and the things that she said no, thank you to that. I would have jumped out in a heartbeat and I just. This is how humble Amy really is. You have to hear this. At a certain point she was so well-known that and she just coincidentally, just by sheer luck, she has a beautiful singing voice. So she gets approached, she goes to Nashville Everyone's dream right. She is offered a recording contract. She could have been a country music star overnight. They would have made her a star. And she read the contract and it was so constraining on her life and she had already kind of learned that television can be constraining. She said no, thank you, wow. And so I know why Because she knew someday she was going to get to be on the Pivotal People podcast.
Speaker 2:That's right. That's exactly right, Stephanie. That's right.
Speaker 1:And that is. You know, that is a very short paragraph in your book, a very short story, and that blew me away. So she's the real deal. I want you to buy her book. Holy Disruptor, Follow her on Instagram and I want to know. I started out by saying this, but what is next for you?
Speaker 2:Tell us, oh my goodness, you're so sweet. So, yeah, I wrote the book to connect dots to the viewers that watched it. There's so many things in the book that no one knows, even about the family or about, like, what's happened and like why we're no longer in contact, my mom's abuse. There's so much that goes on, so much goes on. So thank you to everyone who is listening to this and I hope you enjoy every page. What's next is I have a special thing that I say to Dax every single night, and I just have this prayer that for my little boy, yeah, and for my little boy.
Speaker 2:And so I have this prayer of maybe turning it into a children's book. Yeah, he, he literally is just like mommy, I don't have to be scared. Jesus is with me every night and we have this whole thing that we do every single night, and I've done it since he was a newborn and it has just grown his faith even more and I just I think it could help just so many families out there. So I am looking into all of that, but right now I'm just, I'm so, I am humbled at what God is doing and just how he's allowed me to walk through this process of writing a book. God's hand's been over this entire project from the very beginning, and I'm just, I'm really just so grateful to talk to you. It's not even funny.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm excited. We're going to have all of your you know contact information in the show notes. But I don't think people go to show notes, so we're going to tell them where can we find you on Instagram.
Speaker 2:Oh, thank you. It's at Amy Rochelle King, so it's my full name and so, yeah, I'm on there. I am not one of these like people on there that you can't reach. I am the opposite. If you send me a DM, I am sending you one back. It might take me a minute, but I will do it. I respond to every single person and I will like pray with you. I will encourage you whatever you need because, honestly, this is just a platform, but it can be used for God's glory.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and I have a feeling we're going to see you on a lot of stages. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:No, thank you. I'm actually lot of stages, oh my gosh. No, thank you, I'm actually scared of that. I've never, I've never spoken in public or anything. And I've had a lot of people ask me if I'm going on a tours, a speaking tour, and I'm like why would they want me on there? And so I. It's just interesting that you said that I. I truly appreciate it. We'll see what God does. We'll see. You never know.
Speaker 1:I'm sitting here thinking Christian Women's Conferences. She's a great gig yeah. Well, you're so sweet, I'm going to follow you and I just want to thank you so much and good luck with the book launch.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness, Thank you, and thank you for reading it.
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